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Lithuania 4.4 World league 4.8 a-ramune -- Game's news: Overview of 62nd season -- 2018-03-05

Read the overview of 62nd season in news!
Good luck in the new season!
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-05
一意孤行的傻逼GM! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.1 World league 2.1 达摩克利斯之剑 -- 2018-03-05
Absurd, crazy! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 赵利丽 -- 2018-03-05
明明是续约球员价格过低,导致受限市场价格混乱,居然想着限制球队老板存款上限的方式来天下大同,简直脑回路清奇。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-05
在我看来,就是因为国人这几个赛季统治力太强,立陶宛鬼佬打不过我大天朝,让GM出阴招!
wudiwen莫名其妙的主场输给臭屁,痛失冠军;国家队也是在实力和战术大占优势的情况下败北;我国人有钱人太多把鬼佬吓傻了,GM才会出此下策。
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-05
GM采取如此不公平不公正的手段打压中国玩家,我只想对听不进意见建议的GM说一句:祝早日倒闭! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 superdzonis -- 2018-03-05
Aš galvojau, jog mūsų tauta į sąmokslo teorijas linkusi, bet net ir tolimieji kolegos panašius bruožus turi :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-05
Manau visi kai pralošia eina links sąmokslų, kaip ten Kurtinaitis sakė..? :))) -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.3 World league 4.3 a17614226227 -- 2018-03-05
鬼老们就没有公平过,越来越过分了啊 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.3 World league 4.3 a17614226227 -- 2018-03-05
等实在不行的时候,中国人集体退出游戏,就有意思了 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-05
这次修改,GM说是看了评论,但是根本就没有重视中国玩家的想法,本赛季世界1已经有20支中国球队了,这让我想起了乒乓球,打不过就改规则,是这个意思吧。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Greece 1.1 World league 2.1 kavalafc -- 2018-03-05
1st english comment yo :p First I was against the budget tax, since I am directly affected by that change and I will lose 1m just like that. After a second thought I found it a nice step in order to have less crazy contract offers to market players (after 2-3 seasons from now), and to decrease the distance between the top clubs and the rest. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 whyx2011 -- 2018-03-05
还是中国球队太强了,把立陶宛的球队打的找不到方向了,只能通过GM改规则了,这种做法很卑鄙 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 a-darius -- 2018-03-05
darys: tikrai klaida - bus pasiekta 68 sez.
67 sez - 16%
68 sez - 20%

fourkings:
Using BING translator I can not fully understand everything that is written, but you are wrong. We don't do any updates in order to harm some community.
We make only those updates which we believe that are necessary for the whole game.

Yes I agree that there are better ways to handle these problems with finances (decrease income, increase prices) but they would make even bigger gap between rich clubs and new users of the game. And they would also require a lot more time which we don't have.
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-05
The Chinese team is too strong, the Lithuanian team can not find the direction, only through GM to change the rules, the practice is very despicable!GM, you won. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 superdzonis -- 2018-03-05
Chinese team too strong? Stop that please :D Last year LT teams in WL1: Gold, bronze, 5th place, China - silver, 4th, 6th place.
National teams - LT 1st, China 2nd (at home). Tell us more about how you are way stronger than LT :DDD
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 ronas -- 2018-03-05
tvarkykit buga su treneriais, o tai dabar ir rinkoj nemažai 73m. žmonės jau prisiūlę offerių, -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.1 World league 4.1 cactusjack -- 2018-03-05
Why do Chinese managers always have to make it seem like every update is aimed against them? You are just one of many communities in this game, stop whinning all the time, for real. This is all about balancing the game, giving more people an opportunity to put up a fight against stronger teams and reach higher divisions, this has nothing to do with weakening the strongest country in the game (oh wait what, no gold medals in highest WL division/National Championship last season? dang.) -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.1 World league 4.1 cactusjack -- 2018-03-05
There are plenty of managers who have saved up lots of money and will have to either get rid of it or lose it to taxes, kevalafc is one of them. How come he's supportive about it and doesn't talk about "GM hates the Greek community"? Yes, Greece is nowhere near as strong as China in this game, but the statement about China being "too strong" in itself is very arguable. Again, look at last season's gold medalists of WL1 and National Cup.

Chinese people really hate losing man, yall crazy lol.
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France 1.1 World league 1.1 Slamgot -- 2018-03-05
What ? No medal for France ? That s because Chinese and Lithuanian are comploting against us , they know we are too strong!!! GM just fear French user steal all medals every year in WL1... I just can t stop laughing when reading news from Beijing ;) -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-05
They are so dramatic :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Argentina 1.1 World league 1.1 marcos_rubio -- 2018-03-05
I cant image how a team have 1M, i cant. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-06
和一群不知廉耻的鬼佬,真的不想说太多了,在GM的帮助下窃取了比赛胜利,还这么沾沾自喜,简直令人无语。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.2 World league 3.1 sdx0430 -- 2018-03-06
I cant image how a team have no 1M. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.1 World league 1.1 longxia -- 2018-03-06
给愚蠢的GM
你们知道你们这个决定多么的愚蠢吗?肯定不知道的。我来告诉你们:对于你要征税的球队,他们有钱,有好的球员,根本就不需要花钱,而且财富累积越累越多,你现在强迫他们去花钱,他们又没地方花钱,那钱让你们两个白白的拿走吗?那可蠢极了,肯定不行的。那怎么办呢?受限市场不是有球员吗?100K、80K的买上几个,然后再咔嚓一刀裁掉,多么美妙的花钱的办法,市场和球员薪资将由此崩塌,信不信由你,未来2-3个赛季就要大乱了,哈哈哈哈哈!

Give GM:
Do you know how stupid you this decision? Don't know. I'll tell you: for you to tax team, they have money, have good players, don't need to spend money, and the more tired wealth accumulation, the more you force them to spend money now, they have no place to spend money, take away the money to you two white? That is so stupid, certainly not. Then how to do? Limited market is not a player? 100 k, 80 k, bought a few, and then click a knife cut, how wonderful to spend money, markets and player salaries will collapse, believe it or not, the next two or three seasons will chaos, ha ha ha ha ha!
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
Manau, kad truputį ne ta linkme einama. Manau, jog turėtų būti pertvarkos rinkos kainose, t.y. kad nebūtų dvigubai nei vidutinė siūlomų algų. Kad ir vakar, nupirktas žaidėjas vos ne už 12 000 eur, nors vidutinė kažkur tai 5500. Tegul čia daromi apribojimai, o ne bendrame biudžete. Juk ir be rinkos yra kur galima leist pinigus.
Ar negeriau padaryt maždaug taip: žaidėjui turi būt pasiūlyta maximum 25 ar 50 proc. vidutinės algos suma. (pvz. 5000 vid. alga, tai maximum 7500), o sektorių, komandos nuomonės svarba kiek padidinta? Dar kokių tai faktorių įvesti. Galų gale būkim realistai: realūs pinigai yra vis dar svarbūs bballzone, ar ne taip? Kas norės pirkti žaidimo pinigus iš aukštesnio diviziono komandų?
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-06
PranasV, jei uždėsi max algis limitą ir tą limitą pasiūlys 5 klubai? Kur eis žaidėjas? Aišku, kad eis pasp opuliaresnes komandas į aukštesnes lygas. Tada bus dar daugiau pykčių ir sąmokslo teorijų. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
Mirza

Užtad tarp vienodų lygų komandų bus didesnė lygybė. Pats asmeniškai susidūręs su atvejais, kur tos pačios lygos klubas akivaizdžiai prisipirkęs žaidimo pinigų (aišku, gal ir rizikuoja bankrotais, bet čia jam aktualiau, o ne mano ilgalaikei perspektyvai) pasiūlo arba neadekvačias algas, arba kito lygio žaidėjus paima. Dabar pamatai, kad pasiūlymų žaidėjui 10-15, tai net neverta bandyt siūlyt, nebent pasiruošęs dvigubai mokėt. O juk ilgainiui ir tos pačios vid. algos didėja.Automatiškai ir pasiūlymai.
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-06
GM:
First of all, thank you for your reply to me, but the absence of time is not a reason for you to solve the problem in such a rough way. You need to think about why the Chinese club will become rich under the same rules, but the Lithuanian club is complaining to you. We are rich, so we are wrong, right? We are running a club, and the ultimate goal of a competitive club is to make a profit. I have never heard that any alliance will tax the total assets of a club, and the more I have, the more it should be to pay a larger proportion of the tax.

In my cognitive range, most Chinese clubs are rich. Why is this? Let me tell you that this is because Chinese managers are very cautious in their daily operations. One of the most important words that new players hear is, "don't spend money."

We don't spend a lot of time as Lithuania players do in their daily operations, and become poor, and then complain to the government about the wealth of the Chinese club. Our money is not plundered, and our money is hard to earn in the scope of the rules. And if you overdraft the club's resources, you should pay for it, rather than bring our Chinese players into the abyss.
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
tam kad sektorių finansavimai geriau veiktų, būtų galima padidint žaidėjų praleidžiamo laiko, krūvio tinkamumo žymiai didesnė įtaką sektoriui (tai būtų faktoriai, kuriuos sąlygotų ne pinigai, o individualus sugebėjimas valdyt komandą). Galbūt sumažint sektorių finansavimo sumas. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
priešingų atvejų turtingesnės komandos turėtų geresnių pajėgumų laviruot sektorių puoselėjimu. Tai mano siūlymas skirtas tam, kad nebūtų šokama nuo vilko ant meškos. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-06
Sunku diskutuoti kai argumentai tokie: 1. Aiškiai prisipirkės. 2. Aišku gal rizikuoja, bet čia jam aktualu. 3. Jam aktualu, o ne mano ilgalaikei perspektyvoj. Jei tu į visą žaidimo finansų modelį žiūri iš savo ilgalaikės perspektyvos, tai tik priminsiu, kad žaidėjų yra biški daugiau... -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
beje, kaip matau, kinai labai nepatenkinti. Ar dabartinį -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
siūlymą priėmus, neprarasim stambios bendruomenes aktyviausius vartotojus? Pavojus yra, manau. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
Save kaip pavyzdį pateikiau. Čia gali būti nors ir vartotojas X. Tarkime, Jonas Jonaitis (sorry už ironiją) neįpeka žaidėjų,nes kiti dėl vienokių ar kitokių priežasčių turi žymiai didesnį biudžetą. Tai ok, kai kurie iš jų vieną-du sez. atžaidžia, o tada bankrutuoja. Bet Jonaičio komandos kilimui į viršų tai įtakos nedaro, nuo to jis į viršų nekils. Taigi neįpirkimas ir lieka neįpirkimu. O tokių "jonaičių" yra tūkstančiai. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.4 World league 3.3 Captain Obvious -- 2018-03-06
Hehe nebetaupyste sedesit su pastoviom skolom ir drebejimu kaip as kad sestadienio vakare butu padengtos skolos xD -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
Su "tūkstančiais" gal ir perlenkiau, bet esmė aiški, manau. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-06
O Kada kinai buvo kuom nors patenkinti? Į kiekvieną atnaujinimą jie žiūri kaip į bandymą specialiai juos apsunkinti. Bet jie nenori matyti vietų kuriose patys dėl tokių atnaujinimų laimėtų. Man asmeniškai nei šilta nei šalta dėl tokio atnaujinimo. Tokių kosminių sumų niekada neturėjau. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
kaip jie bus patenkinti kai atims pinigus , kurie yra nupirkti is tikru pinigu -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-06
Nemanau, kad iš tikrų :) tiesiog kinai labai daug ką daro kitaip nei lietuviai, o daug kur racionaliau. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.4 World league 3.3 Captain Obvious -- 2018-03-06
Vegeta taiklus pastebejimas apie ju nepasitenkinima -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
tai paaiskink kuriose vietose jie sutaupo? xd nedasunta man -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.4 World league 3.3 Captain Obvious -- 2018-03-06
Kiek zinau internetiniuose zaidimuose kinai generuoja nemazas bapkes todel pvz ju bandoma pritraukti i we we we thecrims taskas com -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-06
PranasV, tu bent skaitei kodėl tie limitai dedami? Kadangi matau, jog ne, tai padėsiu tau truputį susigaudyti:
5-8wl yra daug klubų kurie yra neaktyvūs ir tiesiog kaupiasi biudžetą, tada grįžę į žaidimą, bet kam prisiūlo bet kokio dydžio algas ir turi stiprias komandas, pažaidžia vėl sezoną du, pinigai dingsta, tada vėl pradingsta porai sezonų kol biudžetas atsigaus.
Su limitu bus suvienodintos sąlygos tos pačios wl klubams, kad neatsirastų tokių veikėjų.
Aukštesnėm lygom aukštesni limitai, tiesiog ir realybėj būna, jog rėmėjai dingsta, jeigu klubas nekyla į aukštesnį lygį ir stovi tame pačiame taške.
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-06
Chinese thinks these limits are only because Lithuanians complained to GM to do something hahahaha it's kind of pathetic to hear that from Chinese, actually :(( Majority of BBALLZONE community (NOT LITHUANIANS ONLY) agrees or they don't care on such change with limits on current amount of money. So now Chinese will say that everyone is against them?

Also if you read more closely the discussion, you would have known that such limits are being focused not for wl1-3 clubs but more on wl4-6 clubs who have millionaires in that level.
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
Sitam zaidime er ilgai leidzia buti neaktyviam. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Norway 1.1 World league 1.1 Optimistas -- 2018-03-06
PranasV, tie pasiūlymai, dvigubai didesni nei vidutinė kaina dėl to ir yra, kad dėl vegetavimo daug klubų pritaupo dideles sumas ir tada gali 2-3 sezonams užsipirkti žymiai brangesnius žaidėjus, nei kiti to pačio lygio klubai.
Pagal dabartinę situaciją tu gali ir 5 sezonus nepakilti iš 5 lygos, nes kiekvieną sezoną atsiras 3-4 klubai tavo lygoje, kurie pritaupę daug šaibų ir susipirkę labai stiprius žaidėjus, todėl tau neįmanoma su jais pakovot dėl pakilimo.

Kitas reikalas - sektorių finansavimas ir skautinimas. Sumas manau reikėtų didinti. Labai daug klubų aukščiausiame lygyje gali sau leisti mokėti maksimalias sumas, todėl labai daug klubų su 7/7. Padidinus sumas, klubai kurie turi pigias sudėtis galėtų skirti sektoriams didesnes sumas, taip atsirastų skirtumai tarp aukščiausių lygų klubų, bei pigias sudėtis turintys klubai tiesiog turėtų kur išleisti pinigus.
Skautinimas. Realiai, kas daug skautina, turi pigias sudėtis, nes su skautiniais pratęsimas kainuoja žymiai pigiau nei pirkimas rinkoje.
Aš iš dalies suprantu kiniečius. Daug iš jų turi pigias sudėtis, tai negi jie kalti, kad neturi kur išleisti pinigų ir todėl kaupiasi milijonai? Nemanau. Tai tiesiog suteikime jiems šansą išleisti tuos pinigus naudingai, o ne atiduoti taxams.
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
nu ok. Tegul mažina tuos biudžetus. Tik ar labai ką tuos pinigus prikaupę neaktyvūs klubai laimėtų, jei siūloma alga turėtų aiškų limitą. Nebent pralaimėtų, nes sektoriai kentėtų tiek populiarumo, tiek personalo prasme.Bet gal kažko aš neįžvelgiu, ateitis parodys. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-06
PranasV pvz tau biudžetais ir tavo algų idėja: tu, būdamas vidutinis 5wl klubas, galėtum, kaip dauguma, konkuruoti dėl žaidėjų su 150-180VK, o tas kur biudžetą prikaupęs, galėtų konkuruoti dėl žaidėjų su 220-240VK. Tai kas išloštų? -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
O algas nukirpus kaip būtų? Ar tu kalbi apskritai apie duodamų algų suvienodėjimą, o taip pat ir biudžetų? Tai pastaruoju atveju gaunasi, kad visos komandos turi visur vienodą galimybių spektrą išleisti finansams. Skirtumas būtų užtad tas, kad būtų platesnis finansų panaudojimo spektras.+ mano pasiūlytu atveju siūlomos algos dydis turėtų mažesnę reikšmę.
Tai gal tada galima sukurti sistemą, kur taikyt biudžetų iškarpymą tik neaktyviems klubams? Sutrumpint tą neaktyvumo laikotarpį? Kodėl dėl neaktyvių vartotojų turi nukentėt tie, kurie kaupia pinigus, bet jungiasi kone kiekvieną dieną, visokeriopai menedžeryje aktyvūs?
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PranasV-bot -- 2018-03-06
Mano atveju skirtumas būtų norėjau parašyti. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.2 darys -- 2018-03-06
Jeigu tiesa, kad didžioji dalis milijonierių yra kinai, tai po šio atnaujinimo jie tik dar labiau sustiprės.
1. Pradės siūlyti didesnes algas rinkoje ir komandoje laikyti po 12-13 žaidėjų.
2. Pradės kasdien investuoti į skautus max. (Jeigu iki šiol to dar nedarė). Taip padidins tikimybę išskautinti dar daugiau pigių gerų žaidėjų sau.
Aišku, tai netruks amžinai. Pertekliniai pinigai kažkada baigsis, bet per artimiausius keletą sezonų jie užsitikrins sau gana šviesią ateitį :D
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
VIETOJ 1 WL atsiras dar viena 1 Kinu lyga xdd -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Norway 1.1 World league 1.1 Optimistas -- 2018-03-06
Pasikartosiu. Esu už šį apribojimą, bet tuo pačiu suprantu ir kiniečius. Kur išleisti tuos milijonus jei tu turi pilną sudėtį, kuri labai pigi? Vienas iš variantų didinti sumas sektoriams ir įvesti pvz. 20k į skautinimą su dar didesne galimybę ištraukti gerą jaunį.
Kad pirmoje lygoje didžioji dalis milijonierių kinai, net neabejonu. Neaišku kaip bendroje sumoje.
darys, jau seniai visiems aišku, kad ilgalaikėje perspektyvoje skautinimas vien pliusai. Kas kaltas, kad lietuviai iki šiol gana mažai į tai investuoja? Realiai vien dėl to tiek daug kiniečių turi pigias sudėtis, dėl skautinimo Kinijos riktinė taip stipriai reitingais aplenkė Lietuvos rinktinę, dėl to 1WL turime tiek mažai LT komandų. Mano nuomone kiniečiai strategiškai dar nėra tokie geri kaip lietuviai (bent jau kaikurie), bet jie greičiau suprato, kad skautinimas yra pagrindinis ir pigiausias kelias į viršūnę tiek klubiniu atžvilgiu, tiek nacionalinės rinktinės.
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 a-darius -- 2018-03-06
fourkings:
1. These limits will affect not only China's clubs, but all. And not only China's clubs have millions.
2. In real life sponsors would stop supporting teams that are not using money to get maximum results. They would rather give these money for teams that always fight for gold. But such update would require a lot more time and we would have even more angry users.
3. Basically, teams that often fight for the gold will not have "problems with this tax". In most cases they are below the tax thresholding.
4. Lets imagine that there is new user from China (or any other country) in the game. He is very active and good manager. Now he can meet clubs with millions of savings in almost each division. He might not be able to go to upper division because of these clubs that play once in 5 season. Until he reaches DIV1 clubs there will have 10+ M. It will be near to impossible to get into ELITE. After this update in each league there will be some sort of saving limit. So the competition for new users will be more fair.

And yes I understand that next few seasons there might be some crazy offers in the market. But clubs' main goal should be to WIN, not to increase savings. Sponsors give money for clubs to fight for GOLD. Not to sit in the middle of the league and just to focus on "how to save more money"

For users, who think that only China's community have millions:
TOP 3 countries with users who have saved more than 1M:
1. Lithuania - 47 users (29 loged IN LAST few days)
2. China - 34 users (27 loged IN LAST few days)
3. United states - 5 users (3 loged IN LAST few days)
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 a-darius -- 2018-03-06
Vegeta97, PranasV
Kai kurie darot klaidingą prielaidą kad milijonai nupirkti iš pinigų. Statistikos nepasakysiu, bet abejoju ar kas iš tų, kuriems gresia mokestis yra bent kartą pinigus pirkę..
Pinigai dažniau perkami tų klubų, kurie balansuoja ant bankroto ribos. Jie tikrai padaro daug mažesnę įtaką rinkai nei tie vartotojai, kurie žaidžia žaidimą kas 3 sezonus.

Optimistas:
Na skautai yra irgi šiek tiek "paleista" vieta. T.y. vardiniai bei 9-10 potencialo žaidėjai turėjo būti išskirtiniai žaidėjai. Šiuo metu jie nėra išskirtiniai nes susimoki ~100-200k ir gauni būsimą Lebroną. Tokie žaidėjai žaidime atsiranda vos ne kiekvieną dieną..
Kažkada skautų sistema tikrai turės keistis..
Bet čia kur kas rimtesnis atnaujinimas. Ir deja turėsime jį atidėti. Dabar prioritetai labai aiškūs: naujas dizainas ir žaidimo stabilumo gerinimas.
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Norway 1.1 World league 1.1 Optimistas -- 2018-03-06
a-darius, but we have some examples in 1WL last seasons that team won gold or other medal with very cheap roster. What to do them? And probably they investing to the sectors and scouts maximum. So they will spend those many in market, when it is not necessary for them and what will cause problems to the other users. I can not imagine what will happen next seasons in the market... -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 a-darius -- 2018-03-06
I just checked how the richest clubs performed in last 3 seasons:
1. TOP 6 richest clubs did not achieve anything in the last 3 seasons (6-26 places in W1)
2. Only 2 clubs from TOP10 wealthiest clubs were able to get medals in the last 3 seasons.

"we have some examples in 1WL"
To be precise, we have exactly one example. And yes, from my point of view, wudiwen is the only team that can really complain about this. He won medals even with cheap players.

In the first suggestion I did not suggest a limit for the first division at all, mostly because of wudiwen :)
But after reading comments and after additional analysis I changed my mind - money in the first league grows too fast to be ignored or delayed. We need solution now, not after 10 more seasons when the amount of money in the first league will be three times bigger.

And as wudiwen is very good team leader I have no doubts that he will make good use of his savings and tax will not hurt him much. Do not forget that there is some time to adapt until this tax is working in full power.
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 2.2 snuopis -- 2018-03-06
Vis dar siūlau pradėt visiems žaist nuo paskutiniosios lygos iš naujo :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-06
Snuopi, parodyk pavyzdį :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-06
GM:

1, since you see that so many inactive clubs have huge sums of money, the first thing you should limit is the inactive users. It's like if there are 25 swindlers in Vilnius, will the police force all businesses to pay huge taxes when they earn two million? I believe that any government will not have such a ridiculous act.

2, the combined operation of a sponsor + club is not a healthy framework. The club should operate as an independent brand. But the project is too large, I believe you don't want to do it, and the players don't want to wait. But I can think of a better, more variable way. Your idea is that the sponsors will give more funds to the club that will win the championship. We will start with this idea and restrict the inactive users. You can set up a standard, such as how many effective operations must be performed every season, or how many days to log on to the game, which is the active user, while the sponsor gives the club price according to the degree of activity. The income of the ticket is determined according to the performance of the club. This is more in line with the reality. And the measures you are going to carry out is like the fact that you have found that there are some pathogens in the city, which are spreading, and you directly use nuclear weapons to destroy everything in the city.
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
man nereik is naujo pradet xdd -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-06
In fact, we can introduce an indicator that has not been paid attention to, that is, the number of fans. It can be said that any commercial club should not be ignored by his standards. What is the sponsorship of the sponsors for the team? It is to improve the value of the sponsor brand. And this value is more reflected in the popularity of the club, reflected in the number of his fans. Bballzone's number of fans is like a half - built project. You've dug a big pit, but you haven't built any building.

But this unfinished project can be continued and can be built into high buildings. You can use the number of fans to limit the club's income. Simply speaking, sponsors give sponsorship based on the number of fans in the club, while fans spend money on the tickets according to the popularity of the club.
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 superdzonis -- 2018-03-06
Fourkings, so essentially what you are trying to achieve is having sponsors pay the clubs for accummulating wealth, but not for showing the results. Imagine Manchester City owners coming to the club, giving them £1B and saying "Do what you need, invest it or increase salaries for staff, we don't care about the results". That's not realistic. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-06
superdzonis

I'm very supportive of your opinion. Indeed, it's unrealistic, and the sponsors won't always give a club that has been losing the game.

However, the policy that the game managers are going to implement is more unrealistic. The sponsor can make a request to the club. But the government should not impose a tax on the money that the club has acquired, isn't it?

I have no objection to this goal of restricting income, and what I really object to is such a rough way. I think the funds given by the sponsors to the club can be directly linked to the club's achievements. And the attention of the game can also be associated with the number of fans.

Each level of the league can set the limit of a number of fans, and for those who do not pursue performance but only pursue savings, game managers can slash the number of fans with drastic measures.

In a word, the new rules should be developed on the basis of the present, rather than using this shock therapy to solve the problem.

Yes, I mentioned shock therapy, and I'm sure you're not a stranger to this word. The former Soviet Union adopted shock therapy to carry out the reform, while China adopted the gradual reform. The two policies resulted in totally different results in two countries. The result is self-evident.

What I want to say here is that we have different ways of thinking about problems. Chinese people will try to solve problems in a more healthy way in a relatively long period of time, as little harm is done. For example, if our legs are infected, we will try to treat the infection. The way the game manager is about to take is because the leg is infected and opt for amputation.
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-06
i agree with fourkings opinion -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-06
fourkings:
I'm very supportive of your opinion.
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-06
GM does not have the ability to solve the problem from the root, only using simple and rough means. If you don't hear the player's reasonable advice, you are just an incompetent dictator. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.4 World league 3.3 Captain Obvious -- 2018-03-06
Jei gerai supratau perbegom skaitydamas tai turima omenyje kad remeju lesos ir pasiulymai atsizvelgtu nuo rezultato ir tai butu logiska. -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 superdzonis -- 2018-03-06
Fourkings, I see what you mean. I understand that the problem here might be the punishment for managers who are having very cheap but still competitive squads. However, Darius put up statistics showing that richest clubs in WL1 are not competing but simply accummulating wealth. So that means that they would be punished by lower amount of fans or income even in the system that you are proposing. So what I see here that the outcome of your and Darius' proposed systems would be the same - 8 of top 10 richest clubs in WL1 would be punished for not being competitive (if they are exceeding 4M). The only difference will be if it will affects those two competitive teams in top 10 richest clubs. As we don't even know if they exceed 4M, I think the complexity of your proposed system is just not worth it considering that the transitional period to the tax period is veeeery long and those clubs can adjust their spending.

Also, I was actually opposed to tax system in the beginning as I thought that it is a waste of time with affecting only severalcteams. However, the numbers made me realise it might be a big problem for new players when teams in low divisions are excessively wealthy.

All in all, I agree that your system is more realistic, but I think that its complexity is simply not worth the very little benefits for only a couple of teams.

PS. Thanks a lot for being a reasonable Chinese user. I think that you can clearly see that using arguments and participating in discussion you might actually change something. While crying that the whole world is against Chinese cannot.
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France 1.1 World league 1.1 Slamgot -- 2018-03-06
Thanks for arguing fourkings, it s a pleasure hearing smart words, and not only annoying yells. I agree with you. I had idées too. Why not giving objectives for a season depending on funds in bank account, and the degree you complete the objective the more your attractivity for sponsor grow or collapse... i think it s quite realistic too. PSG doesnt have same objectives for their team as FC Bâle... -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 2.2 World league 2.2 a-darius -- 2018-03-06
One of the ideas written in our long TODO list is quite similar to what you are discussing.

But there are zero chances to implement similar update with current game's financial situation.
And I don't know if the situation is going to be different after 1, 5 or 10 seasons.

Our planned update is simple and we will proceed with it as it is planned.

Thank you for opinions.
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-07
GM:
Sure enough, no matter how much I say, the final thing is your sentence, thank you, but I still do it according to my idea. That's why the Chinese don't like to say what they think about you, because even if you say it, the result will be the same as it is now.
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-07
superdzonis
The data you have listed does reflect the problem, but do you think that if you taxed the total assets, what would be the result? At least I would think that the game is not a continuation of the policy, and the game manager can always take away everything you've got on the basis of his ideas. It's like now Russia, who overthrew their own plans and was reluctant to take responsibility for history. This will lead to the fact that even the nationals of the country can not believe their government. Even if it is wrong, the government needs to be responsible for the mistakes they have made in history.

For the players who have high assets and are not competitive in the 1 world leagues, game managers can make new policies to keep them competitive, encourage competition and limit economy.

But today's things let me see, in this game, I am a three player, my idea is a pile of shit. The game manager will just say, thank you, but I'll do it according to my idea. Translation: you lousy game player less nonsense.
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 superdzonis -- 2018-03-07
Fourkings, according to your idea, the non-competitive owners would have lower fan attendance and lower sponsor income. According to Darius idea, the surplus in the budget would be simply taxed. Darius' idea would only affect a 1-2 competitive clubs, yours - none. The remaining would lose money in both your and Darius' idea. Do you really care if the money is lost through tax on the surplus or if it just doesn't come to you? I would prefer first one as at least you can spend it on scouts, sectors etc. Anyway, the excess money would be reduced in both ideas for non-competitive clubs. As we say in Lithuanian, it is the same shit, just on the other hand :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.2 darys -- 2018-03-07
fourkings:
Do you think Darius says that only to you? He repeats this almost always. He is the creator of the game, but the game is not a source of livelihood for him. As a result of updating the game, Darius is looking for the cheapest and least time-consuming solutions. Therefore, when he announces the update, be aware that this will happen. :)
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China 2.2 World league 1.1 fourkings -- 2018-03-07
我不会再次表达我的意见,因为我的意见微不足道 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.2 World league 3.1 sdx0430 -- 2018-03-07
立陶宛7潜低rt换9潜高rt 顺带降薪 这都可以 还有什么不可能 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.1 World league 3.1 打酱油的国王 -- 2018-03-07
我是上一次改革受害者,损失惨重。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.2 World league 3.3 kasumi -- 2018-03-07
Bao Ya Today, if only grab a rebound as yesterday, I will delete the number -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-07
Press message hidden by federation volunteer or administrator -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-07
跟火柴头说再多意见都没用。
相对而言,洋葱妹还好说话一些。
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-07
洗洗睡吧,把钱花完就解散吧,GM鬼佬没有诚信。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 2.2 snuopis -- 2018-03-07
Kodėl praktiškai nėra rinkoj treneriu? -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 3.1 World league 3.4 HeyHoudini -- 2018-03-07
išpirkti visi kinų, nes reik kažkur milijonus leisti jau :)) -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 1.1 Mirza -- 2018-03-07
Kad būtų dėl ko kinam paverkt :D -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 1.1 World league 2.2 snuopis -- 2018-03-07
O ko jie verkia :D
O rimčiau tai ir užsiauginti kažkaip per skautus sunkoka juos.
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 xxxxx -- 2018-03-07
这些鬼佬真是可笑,一开始以小号抬价为借口,后面被喷得站不住脚了,又开始诬蔑中国玩家有钱不买球员,不争夺冠军,GM的这种行为真是让人无语,为达目的已经毫无底线可言。
1、先反驳鬼佬所说的“有钱不买球员”:
以我个人为例,因为球队梯队建设规划得当,自己培养的球员,大部分已经属于精英球员了,小部分角色球员也是按适合自己的球队战术体系培养的,所以自探球员已经完全能满足球队比赛所需,最近几个赛季更是出现内线球员过剩的情况。我想,GM鬼佬是永远不会体会到我这种自探球员过剩的感觉的,大家都知道,BBZ里要促成一笔交易,是非常艰难的。据我观察,球队梯队建设做得好的鬼佬寥寥无几,挪威佬算一个,立陶宛鬼佬一个都没有。另一方面,受限市场真正有价值、值得买的球员,那也真是凤毛麟角,现在,续约价格低廉,每个赛季有三个续约名额,还有哪个傻逼鬼佬会把极品球员丢进受限市场呢?流进受限市场的99%都是渣渣了。
2、再反驳鬼佬所说的“不争夺冠军”:
我还记得,我刚注册BBZ的那天,就在BBZ的本国论坛上发出最强宣言:“这是一个伟大的时刻,一个见证神迹的起点!让我们一起创造中国联赛的辉煌!统治国际联盟!”,有兴趣的可以去查看。历经几年时间,经过数代BBZCNer们的不懈努力奋斗,N个赛季前就已经实现了我当初的目标,中国玩家在BBZ的奋斗历程,可以浓缩成以下几个画面:上古禽兽Dragon1单枪匹马与群鬼共舞~~~寥寥几个国际1的国人大佬在立陶宛和意大利佬的围剿下垂死挣扎~~~JB大师的异军突起蝉联数届世界冠军闪瞎一地鬼眼~~炎龙大神率领国家队和U21队逆袭如日中天的立陶宛鬼佬实现历史性突破夺冠并拿下国际1冠军^_^ ~~~国际1联赛中超过半数是中国玩家,统治国际联盟!本赛季更是达到了创纪录的20支中国球队完美占领国际1联赛,而反观立陶宛球队仅有寥寥5支,立陶宛沦落的速度是如此的惊人……
3、立陶宛人痛定思痛!站在GM的角度上,我完全能够体会他作为一个立陶宛儿女所承受的压力和糟糕心情。如此背景之下,修改游戏规则不过是水到渠成的事了,多说无益,千万个理由也阻挡不了立陶宛GM的脚步!
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Lithuania 5.12 World league 4.8 Vegeta97 -- 2018-03-07
cia vietoj bbz gal dbz turejo but -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Lithuania 5.14 World league 5.3 Kipras_Justas -- 2018-03-07
The Chinese are crying. Ohhh -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 cagezheng -- 2018-03-07
炎龙你不说我都没发现,国际一竟然只剩下5个立陶宛人……我刚玩这游戏的时候可是有二十几个的。 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.1 World league 3.3 jidusheng -- 2018-03-07
I am your king! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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Argentina 1.1 World league 1.1 marcos_rubio -- 2018-03-08
Dear friend!!! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 1.1 World league 1.1 lili112400 -- 2018-03-08
虽然我没钱,但是觉得GM还是闲的蛋疼,你的重心应该是让游戏如何更公平吧,而不是搞这些下三滥的修改。
有空了多看看那些乱七八糟的交易不好吗?
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China 3.1 World league 3.4 mingmeng008 -- 2018-03-08
我准备看二哥这赛季挥霍他那400万砸国际1的球员了 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.2 World league 3.1 sdx0430 -- 2018-03-10
菊花关600w+的存款怎么花?很好奇!!! -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 2.1 World league 2.1 达摩克利斯之剑 -- 2018-03-10
我更好奇套套哥的几千万怎么办 -- (Translate) (Translate EN)
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China 3.2 World league 3.2 zhuce -- 2018-03-13
http://www.bballzone.net/cn/MainuLangas-informacija-910227.htm
Neroverde did not get the proper player Anwar in this transaction. This is unfair to him. He hopes GM can find the answer.
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